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good evening. it's 10:00 on the east coast and we begin with brooking news on the looming fiscal cliff. for the past few nights we've been telling you about the frustrating lack of progress to avert a deal on automatic tax hikes and spending cuts that kick in less than four weeks from now. poll after poll shows the american people want compromise but there weren't many signs that was going to happen, nothing was getting done. in a cnn/crc poll, 67% said washington officials would behave like spoiled children in the fiscal cliff discussions. only 28% said they would behave like adults. tonight signs that maybe some adult behavior might be prevail and a compromise might be reached. jessica yellen joins us, dana bash and david gergen. what's the latest? >> reporter: they are a long way from a deal, but late today speaker boehner and president obama did speak to one another on the phone. now, this is an important

development because it's the first time they've talked in a week about the fiscal cliff. i am told, though, that there was no real progress in negotiations. in this sense there was no breakthrough on that central point of tax rates. as you know, president obama insists there is no deal unless the gop agrees to raise rates on the top 2% of earners. the gop says that's a nonstarter and the two men have not moved from that basic position. now, all of this quomz comes at the same time treasury secretary geithner also said for the first time the administration would be willing to go over the fiscal cliff if the gop does not agree to raise those rates. this was treasury secretary geithner earlier today on cnbc. >> is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. all americans get a tax cut on the first $250,000 of their

income. so, in some sense it's a tax cut for all americans. >> reporter: bottom line, anderson, we're talking today but still at stalemate. >> yeah, i mean, it's a sign, jessica and dana, of just how lack -- how little progress there's been that a phone call is big news between these two. dana, we're hearing hints of some move between republicans, coburn, olympia snowe, how significant is it? >> reporter: it's significant for a couple reasons. you're right, three republicans in different ways suggested they would be okay with what most republicans are saying, that they're not okay with, which is raising tax rates for the wealthiest. tom is the most conservative, in general, not just fiscally, the fact he broke with his party. the others have sort of gone along with this in some way, shape or form in the past. it's significant because the way these things kind of tend to go

is that there is a little bit of a crack and then that tends to send other cracks into the -- what is now a solid opposition. of republicans to raising rates on the wealthy. we'll see how that goes. however, i think it's important to underscore we're talking about senate republicans. and the key thing we have to watch is house republicans because if something can't get through the house, which has a big majority of republicans, then it can't get through congress. those are the republicans we need to watch. >> david gergen, what do you make of this situation? do you think we're any closer to a deal? >> i think we might be, anderson. listen, the political theater of all of this certainly suggests we're a long, long way from there. when erskine bowles says there's a 1 in 3 chance we'll be successful in avoiding the fiscal cliff, have you to pay attention. when geithner and other democrats are saying, we're willing to go over the cliff and that's a growing sentiment within the party, you have to think, wow, this is really going to happen. but if you look at the

underlying conversation between them on the substance of it, here we have a republican party that for 22 years has uniformly opposed tax increases. now john boehner has said not only we're putting $800 billion on the table but we're going to aim it at the rich. the rich are the ones that will pay. that's what he said today. yesterday president obama said something that was very, very important. he offered the outlines of a deal that might work with republicans. that's something we talked about on your show a couple nights ago, anderson. that s raise the rates now and then engage in conversations next year on tax discussions and loopholes and that's called base broadening. base broadening in the past has been a attached to lowering the rates. lowering the rates. that's what happened in 1986 with tax reform. what the president is saying, there is a way to raise rates temporarily but through further reform you say you're interested in, we could lower them back down next year. >> you've been critical of the president and democrats.

do you still think they're overplaying their hand here? >> i think there are people around the president who are more interested or at least have a strong interest in using this as a way to humiliate republicans as a way to push them to the brink to negotiate. we'll have to wait to see how it plays out. i think what we've seen with second-term presidents in the past, and the great scholar richard newstat wrote about this years ago, there is danger in excessive pride in the white house. i think we're seeing hints of that but it's unfair to -- let's see this play out a little more. i think they have enough to go into private negotiations right now. if both sides continue to refuse, i think it is the president's responsibility. he is the leader of the country. i think the country is getting tired of watching two sides going, you go first, you go

first. they need to get off that, sit down and get something worked out. >> jessica, from the white house's perspective, they feel they were burned before and they're trying a different strategy, is that true? >> reporter: true. during the debt talks the president was accused of negotiating, putting his compromised position on the table first, of selling out democrats, of negotiating against himself, so he's doing the opposite this time, doing exactly what he was criticized for not doing last time and he's being slammed for it as well. white house officials shrug their shoulders every time we go to them ask them if they're engaging in overreach. one reason they say they're not negotiating with the republicans on the rest of the issue, why don't they put the issue of tax rates aside and discuss everything else and come back to tax rates, they say it's because everything else is easy. they've gone through all of this during the debt talk discussions and they know how this will get done. it can get done very quickly. the one issue for them is tax rates. they say, if the republicans break on that, when they break to, they believe they will, then

everything else gets done very quickly. of course, the republicans see it differently. just adding quickly on that point david gergen made, the white house explicitly came out today saying, point blank, they want a it would two-step process for tax reform, raise the top to the clinton levels now and let next year be a time for negotiating rates for the future and maybe everybody could lower the rates for everyone during that time. >> how much of this do you think is just public posturing and kind of bloviating on cable channels? it seems like a lot of that is going on. >> reporter: so much of that is public posturing and bloviating. but i think the difference between now and what we've seen in past high-stakes negotiations like this, you have the public posturing, the bloviating and the, okay, guys, let's roll up our sleeves and talk about what's really going on. by all accounts, that's not happening right now. the fact you said it's news the president and speaker had their

first phone conversation which got nowhere in a week is really amazing and speaks to the lack of the real conversations going on behind the scenes. i will say that, you know, back to what david and jessica were saying, david particularly about the fact that -- the question about whether the white house and democrats in general are overreaching, look, when timothy geithner says today he's willing to go over the cliff, he's saying it because, yes, it's posturing. he's also saying it because he means it. democrats have been telling us this for a long time, for months and months and months before this was even close to the front burner. they say they realize they have the leverage. at the end of the day, republicans don't agree to anything, all tax rates will go up and they firmly believe republicans will get blamed. it was very obvious listening to the speaker today, i was at that press conference talking to him, that they understand they're losing the megsage war on this. that's why he made a point to say, it's not that we're not for raising taxes on wealthy, it's just a difference over rates. >> i spoke with george mitchell

last night on the program. about to speak with senator trent lott. bought have written op-eds. in talking to them it's like talking to adults because they're talking about, you know, the way it was even five or six years ago where people actually had meetings with each other on opposite sides, and you know, new each other and didn't just kind of disappear to their opposite corners and fly away to their home districts. they actually compromised. it's amazing how much things have changed in the last couple of years. >> it's true, anderson. it's dramatic. and i think there's a lot of blame to go around here. i don't want to try to push it one way or the other, but seeing bob dole on the floor yesterday of the congress, on the disability question and remembering how bob dole and george mitchell, how much they respected each other, how much they worked together, how much they both wanted to negotiate. there was a sense in the senate

especially, but even in the house some years ago, that the purpose of being there was to make progress for the country. yes, you made your arguments loud and clear. at end of the day you sat down and negotiated it out because that's what the country needed. now there's this -- there's this willingness to keep trying to pin the political blame on the other side, keep trying to push the other side, making sure they get the blame if this thing goes down rather than sort of saying, how do we make sure we don't go down? >> we'll leave it there. dana bash, jessica yellen, appreciate your reporting. as we mentioned treasury secretary said today, the obama administration is willing to go over the fiscal cliff if republicans don't agree to raising taxes on the rich. all this week we've been focusing on what it is about this congress and this administration that makes it seem like compromise is a dirty word. certainly the extremes in the party seem to view it that way. we've been talking with past congressional leaders who have sat down at the negotiating table, facing sharp differences with the other political party

in the past and still managing to come out with a deal. today i spoke a short while ago with trent lott, author of "herding cats: a life in politics." >> senator lott, you and senator mitchell wrote op-eds. you said one solution is to hold congress at hearings, marking up legislation. most americans would agree with that but be surprised to hear, i mean, that's their job. i think most of us, you know, would assume, isn't that their job description? >> well, they've slowly slipped away. for several years now. they don't do appropriations bills before the end of the fiscal year, not even before the end of the calendar year. they haven't had a traditional conference between the house and senate in at least a year. >> i mean, i don't want to sound hysterical but that sounds crazy to me. >> it does to me, too.

frankly, it's one of the simple things they could do that would be a solution to the gridlock and the partisanship we have now. i think if they would go back to the old way of getting things done, carefully, systematically, it would help them. >> here we are to your point, the edge of a fiscal cliff, and congress is still taking three-day weekends and planning on a holiday break. >> you know, i did an interview last night, the moderator of a panel i was on was mark shields. he asked me, if you could just recommend one thing other than going back to what we call regular order, what would it be? my recommendation to the congress and the president would be, quit campaigning, quit having press conferences. sit down at a round table and negotiate a deal. there's a little revisionist history where we talk about how it was so good in the old days. it was tough then, too. but we got it done. one of the ways we did it, question quit running around, talking at each other and talked with each other. >> your op-ed, the headline was

washington lost the love of the deal and it seems like that. that deal-making, that compromise, even just talking to each other like civilized human beings doesn't seem like that's happening at all. >> it's not happening. and you know, anderson, i was always a conservative republican and i had very strong beliefs about certain things we should or should not do, but also thought that i was sent to washington by the people of my state, not to make a statement, but to make a difference and try to get a result. when you're dealing with 100 united states senators, let alone 435 house members, you're not going to get it all the way you want it. the president's going to have to give some, the president has to show leadership, the leaders in the congress have to step up. it's kind of dangerous because, you know, the extremes of both parties, they're not looking for compromise. they're looking for a win on their point of view. but you have to be prepared to give some. you have to be prepared to push to get something done. and if you do that, if you make up your mind, i'm going to get this done. you will. >> and when you were leading the

senate, you spoke to senator daschle all the time. >> i had a red phone on my desk. sometimes the problems in washington or in the congress and administration, their staff people, so i had a red phone where when i picked up that phone, it rang one place, tom daschle's desk. when he picked it up, i knew i was talking to tom daschle. not his staff or my staff. i remember one time i called him, stepped out from a conference meeting and said, tom, you know we need to do this. i'm having problems. he said, i am, too. i said, let's do it. he said, let's go. i'll see you on the floor. we went up on the floor of the senate, we called the bill up, we passed it by sundown. you got to do that every now and then. even though you might catch a little flack from some. people within your conference. it's called leadership, anderson. >> so, what for you do you think was the moment that this changed, that compromise became a dirty words? democrats point to the tea party and say on the right, that's it, republicans will say on the left there's extremes as well.

>> yeah, yeah, there are extremes on both sides. i used to get hammered for being -- i was accused of being a compromiser or a deal-maker. i didn't know those were dirty words. it didn't just happen overnight. it's been an evolutionary thing. a lot of things contributed to it. tom daschle, my good friend, was democratic leader when i was majority leader for republicans, said the biggest problem is the airplane. members don't bring up their families. they come in on monday or tuesday morning and all they want to know is when can i leave thursday? you can't legislate 24 hours, or on two weeks, off a week, schedules don't match. number one, it's part of the times we're in. when we came up here, we didn't have cell phones, fax machines, computers. so we spent time together. we knew each other, we liked he's oech, across party lines. that doesn't happen now. members run away now. part of it is, frankly, anderson, 24/7 news, you make a

mistake in this city now and you're toast for days. so, it's all of the above. but it can change. anderson, once people make up their mind, look, we are going to start doing things a little differently, we're going to go back and do some of the things that worked, part of it is generational, perhaps, and maybe with the next generation it will be different. >> i would say on a personal note, i wouldn't sell yourself short. it's good to have people there who know how to compromise, who know how to get things done and who have experience there. so, it's good to talk to you. >> thank you. >> good to talk to you, senator. >> appreciate it. >> follow us @andersoncooper. i'm tweeting about this. a startling report from nbc, syrian military loading chemical weapons into a bomb and awaiting the president assad. we'll talk it over next. ♪

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welcome back. we have important breaking news. nbc news is reporting u.s. officials say their worst fears have been confirmed the syrian military has loaded chemical weapons inside bombs. nbc says those same officials say bashar al assad's forces are awaiting final order to use those loaded missiles against syria's own people. this video posted online, which we can't independently verify, purports to show syrian missiles that have been modified to carry chemical and biological weapons. obviously, this is a sober development in a situation that seems to be getting worse by the day. pentagon correspondent barbara starr joins me along with cnn contributor and former cia officer bob baer and on the phone fran townsend. barbara, i know you're working to confirm this nbc report. how much would this change the

situation? if u.s. military is going to act to prevent assad from gassing his own people, it would seem, if they loaded this stuff into weapons, the time to do it would be at hand. >> right now i can tell you, anderson, if this turns out to be true, even if not, the u.s. military, the cia in a full-blown effort to collect every piece of intelligence they can about what is going on with the chemical weapons and develop a targeting strategy if it were to come to that. so, what are we talking about here, anderson? they have to put together targeting options for the president. that involves the latest intelligence. where are the chemical weapons in syria? what would you do to attack them? what kind of u.s. bomber aircraft would you use? do you know precisely where they are? how would you get it past air defenses? israel, turkey, jordan, neighboring countries, their intelligence services also working this problem around the

clock. there is a lot we know. there is growing concern by the hour, in the region, because if the syrians use these kind of weapons against their own people, catastrophic. but if they also use them, these weapons, the presume clouds, if you will, can cross borders, terrorists could get ahold of this kind of material if it's now out of secure locations and take it across borders into israel, jordan or turkey. it just doesn't get more serious than this. >> bob, you've been looking into how catastrophic these weapons could be. >> anderson, look at it this way, 122-millimeter artillery round with mixed serin landing in the middle of a city will immediately kill 18 to 20,000 people, and that's in the first seconds. >> one round? >> one round. and the dispersion on that could be -- depends on the wind, but you could take out a city like homs. you could take out a third of

the city in the first couple hours. anderson, this is a highly toxic liquid. it's a persistent agent. it's absolutely completely deadly. keep in mind that if, in fact, they mix it with a binary agent, it doesn't do you any good to bomb these sites because it will just disperse the chemicals all around. if they're sitting in cities or near cities, it will have the same amount of damage. so, we are faced with a terrible dilemma. of course, if you take one of these rounds and put it on artillery, you could fire it into anywhere you want. into israel, for instance. and considering that al qaeda is on the ground in syria, there's all sort of disaster scenarios. they're remote but still a possibility. >> this is an nbc report they have been loaded into bombs. we haven't been able to

independently confirm it yet. fran, from your experience in the white house, what kind of planning goes on at a point like this? are the president's military advisers presenting him with options? from bob's point, if you strike these targets from the air, it doesn't help. it can disperse. >> that's right. senior military officers have confirmed to me, what they told us months ago, which is this sort of contingency planning, how do you secure what may be as much as four dozen chemical weapon sites in syria, what does dha take, what sort of coordination with our military allies, what about the neighbors and what will they contribute? there's been a good deal of military planning, training and coordination that's gone on over the last 6 to 12 months for this. now, that's all in preparation for exactly what barbara and bob are telling us now. that is, now have you to

understand given the current intelligence, and there is a real priority on collecting current real-time intelligence to understand, now how do you take those plans? you've been working and address the immediate threat. that's the challenge. you bet the president's military advisers, along with his national security staff, are working to present him options. >> bob, i think back to entry-level political science classes in college. assuming al assad is a rational actor, even if he thinks he may lose and need a place to go some day like russia or be able to live in exile somewhere, just rationally speaking, it would not make sense for him to use these weapons, would it? >> well, we have to look at the generals around him. he's not alone in this. he's not a single man making these decisions. there are a group of generals

from his own promotion which are controlling this war. they are not being offered a way out. you know, and the way they look at it, i've spent a lot of time with these people. they're virtually a cult. they think their survival's at stake. even if the united states were to enter in any sort of -- you know, to go in and get the weapons, that would be a better option for them than to losing to the rebels who they consider terrorists, fundamentalists, whatever you want, and their chances are dimming by the day and they're very desperate and they are this closed-in mentality. it's unpredictable exactly what they're going to do right now. >> barbara, even to bob's earlier point, even if the weapons aren't used, if the chemicals are mixed and loaded into delivery device, that's a concern because as bob said, there's al qaeda groups on the ground, jihadist groups on the ground. and if the control over these weapons then is lost, who knows

where they could end up. what's the u.s. military posture in the region, aircraft carriers, fighter jets? >> the u.s. does have an aircraft carrier last time we checked nearby in the red sea -- excuse me, amphibious warships with marines on board in the red sea. they could move north. there are aircraft throughout the persian gulf region, fighters and bombers. aircraft carriers in the north arabian sea on station for missions over afghanistan. all of these things could be brought to bear. i think what the u.s. is hoping at this point is that very rapidly somehow they can mobilize support mons tamongst neighboring countries to get assad to back away from this. bob's point is absolutely key. assad could go into asylum tomorrow, the crisis would not end. if you do not have an orderly transition of power, if you have

no assurance, who's in charge of syria the day after assad leaves, this part of securing the chemical weapons becomes perhaps even more dire. >> it's sobering stuff, and bob's assessment of the power of just one shell in a city like homs. we appreciate you to be on. up next, while law makers have been battling over the fiscal cliff crisis, they managed to find time to vote on a treaty that would have protected disabled around the world. republicans blocked it with their vote. you might ask, why would they do that? you see, c-max helps you load your freight, with its foot-activated lift gate. but that's not all you'll see, cause c-max also beats prius v, with better mpg. say hi to the all-new 47 combined mpg c-max hybrid.

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this time not trying to take sides, pulling for republicans or democrats, but tonight we're reporting, eposing facts and exposing hpowhe we see it. yesterd dels on american with disabilities act which the u.s. passed 22 years ago. but 38 u. rep u.n. treaty leaving it five votes short of ratification. not even a rare visit by former republican senator bob dole who just before the vote made a difference. he's 89, appeared frail this his wheelchair and disabled from war injuries, came to the chamber to show support for this treaty. rick santorum led the charge against the treaty. he and some other republicans warned it would jeopardize u.s. sovereignty and personal freedoms. listen. >> the problem is, there's a provision in this international law which we would be adopting

if the senate ratifies this that puts the state, the state in the position of determining what i in the best interest of a disabled child. >> i simply cannot support a tr that threatens the right of parents to raise their children with the constant looming threat of state interference. >> the treaty could be used to interfere with the ability of parents with disabled children to decide what action is in the best interest of their children. >> that all sounds very alarming. keeping them honest, it's not true. the treaty does create a committee that can issue nonbinding recommendations on how nations can do better on disability rights, but it doesn't. i repeat does not require any changes to existing state or federal laws. in july former republican attorney general dick thornburgh testified before the senate foreign relations committee saying, quote, protect u.s. sovereignty and recognize the convention as a nondiscrimination instrument similar to our own americans with disabilities act. in other words, the u.n. treaty can't force the u.s. to do

anything. nothing at all. but that fact didn't stop rick santorum, whose 4-year-old daughter is disabled, from pushing his own storyline and, frankly, twisting the facts along the way. >> this is a direct assault on us and our family, to hand over to the state the ability to make medical determinations and see what is in the best interest of the child and not look at the wonderful gift that every child is. >> after the treaty was voted, john kerry said, i quote, this is one of the saddest days i've seen in almost 28 years in the senate. it needs to be a wake-up call about a broken institution letting down the american people. we need to fix this place. today he addressed mr mr. santorum's claims. >> i have great respect for both rick and his wife karen, his daughter and his family. he's a strong family man. but he either simply hasn't read

the treaty or understand it or he was just not factual in what he said, because the united states has absolutely zero, zero, i mean zero ability, to order or to tell or to -- i mean, they can suggest but they have no legal capacity to tell the united states to do anything under this treaty. nothing. >> tonight many disability rights advocates are saying politics trump the welfare of the disabled everywhere. seven-term democratic congressman of rhode island is among many supporters of the u.n. treat yshg the first quadriplegic person to serve in the u.s. house. before yesterday's vote he talked with former senator bob dole in the cham per. the congressman joins me now. you voted for this treaty. you called for the ratification. why do you think it's so important? >> first, anderson, thank you for having me on the program. thank you for paying attention to this very important issue.

this issue is important, not just for people here in the united states, but most especially for people around the world who don't yet enjoy the same protections that people -- disabled people like myself enjoy here in the united states because of the passage with the americans with disabilities act. that law has really transformed the lives of people with disabilities and i can speak to that firsthand. i was injured in 1980, i became paralyzed after a gun accident and i know what the law was like, but before and after the ada. it's remarkably different. it's just a shame the senate couldn't pass that measure yesterday. but i do want to thank senator kerry and senator mccain, senator harken for their extraordinary leadership and everything they did to get it to this point. the bipartisan support, the 61 senators, who did vote in favor of it. >> look, some people look at the ada, americans with disabilities act, and say if the u.s. has

what is considered to be the gold standard of legislation in this area, why do we need a treaty from the u.n.? >> because we're in many ways endorsing the work of the u.n. in trying to spread that message of equality and protection of the rights of people with disabilities around the world. and how can we in a sense show leadership in this area if we're not able to and willing to join with the other nations around the world who have supported this treaty? >> so those who say -- for those who say this violates u.s. sovereignty because they argue it could somehow force changes in u.s. law, sna even possible? because i don't see how that's possible? >> not even possible. not even possible. in fact, the senate wording made it very clear that it does not trump u.s. law. in fact, there's a u.s. supreme court decision, i believe it was

in 2004, that said such statements by the senate are just positive. so, it would give no standing to anyone in u.s. courts to sue a state, or federal courts, and absolutely does not trump the constitution or any u.s. law. in many ways, it is a standard that we want other nations to aspire to, if you will. we are setting the standard with the passage of american with disabilities act but it's even -- it makes the more -- the treaty have -- making the rilgts of people with disabilities even more relevant and more clear by endorising a treaty to give the same protections around the world we enjoy here in the united states. >> i appreciate your time. we're not reporting on this based on politics, just looking at facts and the facts used against this were incorrectly used. they just weren't true. congressman, appreciate your

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police in new york announcing an arrest in a crime that's shocked this city and most of the country. naeem davis is facing murder charges. the arrest is doing little to quiet questions about why those in the station didn't try to do more or do anything to help lift him off the tracks. a freelance photographer on the scene shot this photo for "the new york post," that's the cover, showed the victim after it was too late to get out of the train's way. the photographer says he was trying to use the flash to alert the train's drivers while others ran for station worker.

another photo from the new york post shows the man on tracks without the subway in sight perhaps giving bystanders a chance to help. in 2009 chad lindsey jumped onto the new york city subway tracks and rescued a man who passed out and fell onto the platform. he joins me now. thank you for being here. there's bin a lot of criticism of the photographer and other people on the platform. you say that's misguided. why? >> well, because they weren't there. i think we do a lot of quarterback backing from the couch. i mean, you know, we don't know what happened. that's a still shot. you know, how do you know how far away he was? and also people have different reflexes. you don't know what they are until they're tested. >> i found that in instances, you don't know how people will react. some you think will rise to the occasion, do not.

those who you think would shirk away do rise to the act. >> you do what your muscles are trained to do. that may sound like an excuse, and maybe it is, but it's not our job to judge his actions. it's our job to control our own, you know. >> you also say that the track is much deeper than a lot of people think. >> you know, it's deeper than it looks. if there's the edge, then cut away. so if you're up on it, there's nothing to brace against, which i didn't know until i tried to press myself up out of there. it's dirty. it's slippery. it's greasy dirt. it's not just dusty the way it looks. >> you were also confident in your own knowledge of the subway tracks because you knew where the third rail is. like i look -- i ride the subway every day. don't know where the third rail is. >> i'm a bit of a train guy so i know how they're built and where things go. although i learned something new today, because of this, which is if you run to the end of the track there are ladders, which i

guess i've seen but i never thought of it but if you run in the direction -- run away from the train, that there's a ladder at the end, which is helpful, i think, although there's lots of things that could go wrong there, too. ultimately train safety is your best bet. >> there's another photo i want to show our viewers of when mr. hunt fell on the tracks. it doesn't look like the train is that close. it seems like there may have been time to help. >> again, if that's the case, we have something else here, mr. anderson cooper, we need to decide as americans, as human e bein beings, whether we're going to be in a moment or take a picture of it. not to throw it back on the photographer but there were lots of people on the platform. there were a lot of people in the platform when i was in that same wags and some backed up against the wall. our culture is obsessed with proving i was there so i'm going to post that on facebook and -- >> that's more important than

ever. there's this instant desire. rather than have a real experience or be in the moment, people want to document it, take a picture of it, post it later. i think we see that in a lot of different cases. we have to go because we're short on time. i appreciate you being with us. >> my pleasure. >> amazing what you did years ago. >> thanks. >> up next, find out why a radio station is apologizing after an incident linked to prince kate.

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